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The Big Read Meme

  • 25th Jun, 2008 at 2:25 PM
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So where's it from?

It's not the same list as the BBC Big Read from 2003, which was voted for by the public.

As best I can tell it's nothing to do with the National Endowment for the Arts Big Read project; that doesn't have a top 100 list, let alone an assertion about 'average adults'.

Does it matter?

I hate 'list' memes generally; unless someone goes through to actually explain why they would highly recommend a book, or wouldn't touch another one with a bargepole they really don't tell you anything about the person who is doing the answering. Frankly, they're about as elucidating as the "Which Purple Power Puff Pony Are You?" questionnaires.

They're a way of keeping score? Well - I can see that. If we knew the provenance of the list, we'd at least know who we're keeping score against, and in what company. But this, with its vague attribution that doesn't actually hold up to scrutiny?

Each other, perhaps?

So here's a new Meme.

Pick one book from that list, and argue for or against it. Why should everyone you know read it, or why should all extant copies of it be pulped?

That's likely to be a lot more interesting than bolding, italicising and underlining 100 lines of text, neh?

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[info]ysharros wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 13:41 (UTC)
Another option, and why I did it: as a way to remind myself of some of the books I'd read a long time ago, loved then, and should read again now.

Like any list, it's arbitrary and about as useful as rat poo for anything other than navel gazing - IMnsHO etc etc

Charlotte's Web - it'll teach kids empathy. How can this be wrong? Lots of adults could do with more of that too. When they're done with that they should read To Kill A Mockingbird, then Huckleberry Finn.

Edited for under-caffeinated brain

Edited at 2008-06-25 13:41 (UTC)
[info]jfs wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 13:54 (UTC)
Thank you - that links together three books that I've read, but wouldn't have connected without your post. I consider myself that little bit more enlightened, and can now see the connections.

That, for me, validates the entire exercise.
[info]pax_draconis wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 13:50 (UTC)
Tough question and a good observation.

Brave New World, though not as mind-expanding (in all senses) as the Doors of Perception, reads in a pretty terrifying way if you follow current affairs in any kind of detail. I still hold Rebecca up as a magnificent study in obsession and the devastating effects of idol-worship; Mrs Danvers is possibly one of the best-written female villains in literature.

But for sheer wallop, nothing for me beats the dysfunctionality, the dark, brooding, violent obsessiveness of Wuthering Heights, which is in essence a phenomenally well-written story about two vile human beings being exactly what each other deserve, and the utter devastation that partnership wreaks on everything it touches. People who think this is a love story probably describe It's a Wonderful Life as a "feel-good film" too.
[info]jfs wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 13:55 (UTC)
I like 'It's a Wonderful Life' but it is very much a story of one man's survival, not a feel good story.

And I've not read Wuthering Heights. I will, now.
[info]pax_draconis wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:06 (UTC)
I'm quite surprised you haven't read it; I reckon it to be the best Bronte book, and the only one I ever managed to get all the way through.

Olivier and Merle Oberon did the novel a disservice in the 40's film that stands uncorrected to this day; in fact, I haven't yet seen a film version that captures the true cruelty of the book. Enjoy it - it's a true classic.
[info]ysharros wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:10 (UTC)
Absolutely true. It's not a bloody love story, it's a story of destruction. That might be why I didn't underline it - it made me deeply uncomfortable. Much better than Jane Eyre, for sure.
[info]badgersandjam wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:13 (UTC)
Wuthering Heights is the only Bronte book I haven't been able to get all the way through. I don't deal well with overblown and purple. Shirley is much more interesting, for example--about the riots in the mills and the cruelty of one woman to herself.
[info]binidj wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:13 (UTC)
Started reading it, hated it.

I have tried with 19th century literature (I can't be bothered to check whether this is 18th or 19th so I'm lumping it in with Hardy and Dickens), really I have ... it just leaves me absolutely cold.
[info]mr_h_r_hughes wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:30 (UTC)
There was a recent film that was OKish. Ralph Fiennes did a pretty good Heathcliffe but Cathy was appallingly miscast - Juliette Binoche anyone ?!

There is a 70's one too but I've not seen it, it has a young Timothy Dalton as H (and I think he potentially has that 'I'm a total bastard' air that H needs but other than that I know nothing.
[info]sixtine wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 19:28 (UTC)
I couldn't bear Wuthering Heights and found it a struggle to finish. It doesn't help that I don't much like Bronte but I detested the selfish central characters so much that I wanted them to fall down a Yorkshire pothole and die.
[info]badgersandjam wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 21:37 (UTC)
I love the other two Brontes to bits. I just can't hack Emily. purple, purple, overblown, uninteresting and purple.

I's rather read Melville. (Though I like Melville's poetry, and some of his short stories; I just think his long prose leaves something to be desired.)
[info]mr_h_r_hughes wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 13:58 (UTC)
Nice one Ian, you've just put down a large part of why I love 'Wuthering Heights' and depsrately try and point out to people that it most certainly *isn't* the big-shirted Mills&Boon-fest that it sometimes get's painted as...god know how. If that's some peoples idea of love then I don't want to go anywhere near those people!
In places it made me feel dirty, good going from the Victorian Vicar's daughter!
[info]ed_fortune wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:31 (UTC)
Well I filled it in because a) Work is quiet b) it's a natty list of books I've not read, and that's worth storing somewhere.

I do think 1984 is a book that people should read, at least to study if not for pleasure. It's flawed, and I think Orwell's rather miserable assertion on the nature of the human spirit is also flawed, but as a science fiction novel it does what the genre often claims to: Shows us a potential future (and highlights aspects of the present.)

High quality food for thought.
[info]agentinfinity wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 18:06 (UTC)
It's a while since I read it but I always thought of it as more of a criticism of power concentrated in the state than an indictment of human nature. Orwell had serious anarchist leanings after all. Homage to Catalonia is interesting in this respect.

Then again, I read it when I was 12 so maybe I am talking out of my bum.
[info]ysharros wrote:
26th Jun, 2008 13:43 (UTC)
I've read those since and I'm still convinced Orwell had serious anarchist leanings. But then so did many authors, and "anarchist" doesn't automatically equate to Conrad's "caped man with bomb."

Speaking of connections, Ursula LeGuin's "The Dispossessed" goes well (in contrast with) with 1984. ;)
[info]maleghast wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:39 (UTC)
I'll hold my hand up;

It came along and I was a little bored and I was interested to use it as a tool of remembrance and to focus me on some of the ones on the list that I want to 'get around to'.

I mostly agree with you that it's an almost completely pointless exercise lacking in context and representing absolutely no useful benchmark / metric - I'm just not bothered by that, it did however use up half an hour or so and the resulting comment traffic has eaten up a good hour and a half as well, so for me at least it has served its purpose.

One book from the list that everyone should read - Anna Karenina. I could wax lyrical about the beauty and the tragedy and the sheer quality of the prose, but frankly none of that is as important as this - Tolstoy is Russia's Shakespeare / Dickens / Hardy (take your pick) and that alone is a crappy reason to read a book, but there is a reason why he is; he can REALLY write, and Anna Karenina is the proof.

One book to be pulped - Based on how hard I know it to be to get someone else to pay for the publication of one's prose I can't argue that for any book. Just because I don't like it does not mean that it has no value. That may be overly concilliatory, but that really is how I feel about it.
[info]jfs wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 14:45 (UTC)
Not meant as a dig ...

Just because I don't like it does not mean that it has no value.

Just because you* liked a book doesn't give it any value though, and you were happy to praise Anna Karenina.

I'm not unhappy with that - I'm gratified that the responses to my post have been generally positive, and I wouldn't force anyone to post anything they didn't like - but your assertion that Tolstoy is the Russian Shakespeare is as judgemental as mine that Dan Brown is a talentless regurgitator.



*For a generic use of the word you, probably
[info]maleghast wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 15:22 (UTC)
*nods*

A point well made, I guess I am just happy with the dissonance, or put another way, I am happy to advocate an opinion I believe to be positive or constructive, but I am not comfortable with similarly declarative statements that are negative and / or destructive. I appreciate that this lacks logic, but I would say that I lack logic in a lot of ways, so at least that has the merit of being consistent.

I agree with you about Dan Brown, but it didn't stop me enjoying The DaVinci Code, and I am loathe to suggest that anyone else shouldn't enjoy it or is an idiot for enjoying it - there is nothing necessarily wrong with finding enjoyment in the mediocre although I suppose that I might temper that with the utterly arrogant and elitist caveat of 'as long as you know that it is mediocre'.

As for praise in favour of Anna Karenina - I like to say positive things about art / literature / music that I like, but you are right - my opinion is worth absolutely nothing to anyone else, and I would not have it any other way, because I want the freedom to have it, and I want others to have the freedom to have theirs. Opinions are personal, and relatively irrelevant; the nice thing about a positive opinion is that it does not sound mean.
[info]thirstypixel wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 15:04 (UTC)
I would argue for 'Nineteen Eighty Four'.

I first read it when I was too young to understand it, but it still gave me the basics of a political education. I regret that in many quarters it still seems to wear the tag of compulsory school read that we had to get through. Re-reading it in later years, when I knew more of politics in general, I saw a great deal that I had missed. A particular prize is Goldstein's book within a book. I am not sure that I have learned as much about the rationality and irrationality of power, violence, collective organisation or politics from any other source.
[info]reznorsedge wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 15:23 (UTC)
I think more people should read 1984 to hopefully stem the vaste tide of people that claim that '84 is here already when they don't understand what that means (ignoring whether or not it's true).
[info]sunblade wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 16:22 (UTC)
Watership Down, because bunnies.
[info]jfs wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 16:23 (UTC)
Is that a call for canonisation or pulping?
[info]sunblade wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 16:26 (UTC)
Canonisation. Though my 'best book of the year so far' goes to The Book Thief by Markus Zusak, Watership Down is a book I can re-read time and time again. Oddly enough, Plague Dogs by the same author gets my vote for pulping.
[info]pauln wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 16:33 (UTC)
Not ahead of The Girl in a Swing, though. That was dire.
[info]littleonionz wrote:
25th Jun, 2008 17:46 (UTC)
Germinal; because it is powerful and brilliant, I quite like strong passionate writing, next to witty and insightful, I like the mouse of Austen sitting making caricatures of the bores of her world, but then I like the longing and repression of Emily Bronte's great work. It is about love, it's about the kind of love that burns, it's Cid and Nancy love, it's Othello and Desdemona love, hmm advocating the wrong book here, so many to chose from!.Back to Germinal it's political, well researched and honest,it's a turning point, a transition not only in writing style but how the world worked and it made changes happen, best kind of lit, that which provokes real change Oh and Zola can turn a neat phrase, not perhaps with the elegance of Flaubert or the wit of Austen(certainly not that! and who could possibly want to?:)but where is Henry James...Toni Morrison?? bah silly list oh pulp Dan Brown ftw gf, not his books the man himself for helping to fill the louvre with ejiots when you want to look at the pretty pictures.

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